The customer service is great though! Should fit most people TTS. With Meermins, you get a refined-classy style that is set to rule the modern scene. Lovely article! Still tapered in in waist and heel for a comfortable lock in, but with more room in the toe box and at the ball. The only running shoes for me. Ended up selling years later. So far I remained unconvinced but then again I dont know any better. While not terribly drastic, this feature requires a bit more toe box space. Most of my shoes are Crockett & Jones because of the great customer service and the consistent quality. Unfortunately almost all clothing has diminishing returns as you pay more, and thats certainly the case with shoes. Unlike tailoring where fashions and preferences can change over time, given your taste and understanding of fit also develops, shoes are mostly immune to change. Ive gradually moved more towards the Handgrade products, though not entirely, as the range of styles is more limited. The English brands at this price level are Loake (1880 range, above) and Barker, both of whom make their uppers in Asia to cut down on costs. No one wants their sole to wear down quickly, but points like the shaped waist are more aesthetic, and its up to you whether you care about them. Im not the only one. They are amazing shoes. Pepe Albaladejo runs Meermin with his father Jose, who founded the company in 2001 by selling through the legendary shoe mecca that is Tokyo's Isetan department store. Cheers Michael, its hard to appreciate that price differential from over here in the EU. But if the heel is good to start with, it doesnt matter so much if it can flex and adapt. This is more than just the upper, but depending on the build, the leather insole will mold and compress to the foot. Interested to hear your thoughts if one abstracts from the usual price mark-up due to branding etc. They look good, a bit more fashionable than the others, but I also cant say Ive worn them enough to really get a sense of their quality. That said, something in the post did strike me negatively, on a subject I previously had been puzzled about: appraisal of Allen Edmonds. Makes buying difficult, much like with Vass. I have gone through years of posts comments where US readers often praised the company and you alleged unawareness about it, sometimes citing Alden as the only US quality shoemaker known to you. When I complained I was told The second pair is always better ! Viberg 2050 9: The E width of this last is still unreleased, but its what I would likely do for another pair in this last. So do only the toes get more room or is the hole shoe more roomier? Ive since moved on to other brands because I wanted higher quality. Viberg 2030E 9: Specifically for the Halketts which have a trimmed waist and slight pattern changes these are okay in a half size up with boot socks. A reader even referenced it in a comment above on this post. A lot of new brands have been popping up in recent years, too, especially in Asia, and they often feature impressive specs for the price. The manager gave me a significant discount for resoling them but, even after three decades as a loyal customer, I would be reluctant to buy from them again. E. D. E. Wide. (Portuguese shoemaker) Custom ordered these with a combination last of 9.5E toe and 9.5D heel. Although classed as subs, most of the time you would be hard pushed to see why. Allen Edmonds still made really good shoes twenty years ago, but their attempt at becoming an all around clothing brand with its own shops really harmed the quality of the shoes. Rancourt's lasting seems very inconsistent. Alongside the quality of the leather, something thats lost at this lower price level is consistency. The Shell Cordovan, non-Alden Shoe and Boot Thread, Find reviews, recommendations, tips about and appreciation of fine cutlery here. 55 last 9.5E: Excellent fit with thick or thin socks, this is what boot heaven feels like! Best fitting shoe I own, after a couple wears I can sport these for 20 miles with no hotspots. Carmina vs Meermin: First glance Either as a good value buy for one who is unwilling or unable spend more, or, as a gateway purchase into the world of fine mens shoes. * **Thomas George Popes** 7.5UK quite snug, grips heel well but pinches the toes a bit. (I think I prefer the darker colour of the first). The new El Salvador ones were too tight and I'd require a 10.5. Exactly!! Thanks a lot Simon. Overall - and this all has to be generalisation - with English shoes you get a solid make and good quality control. The Jermyn Street stores are run by a franchisee. You pay less for a Spanish shoe, and still less for a Vietnamese one. There is one new Brand Lethato seen on different portals and I saw their boots are attractive and reasonably priced. I can see a grey being useful, but that's about all probably. Carmina Simpson Oxford - 10 UK. Ie if you spend 500 on a pair of shoes youd probably be looking at circa 2,000 for your suit and 150 for your shirt. While I have no problem wearing RTW tailoring that is cheap relative to the bespoke stuff you discuss on the website, with shoes I found it impossible to go back to cheaper brands once I got my first EGs. the Meermins have four speedhooks and a pull tab, whereas the Carminas have three and forego the tab. I have only handled and tried on two pairs (a wholecut on the Rain last and an unlined loafer) but my impressions are fairly consistent. me, Morjas and Skolyx have been better in that regard. Do you think there is a difference in comfort? This is the next level down of Spanish brands, more on a par with the Swedish start-ups in terms of quality, but much bigger organisations. Wapmaxi Time To Change 2015Meermin & Carmina Boot Sizing and Review Hey all, been a bit since I've posted but I stopped by both Meermin and Carmina in NYC the other day and thought I'd share my opinions for guys looking at either or both for fall boot wearing. Carmina shoes are made with classy Shell Cordovan Leather that is really elegant and unique. Japan: Scotch Grain, Otsuka, Miyagi Kogyo, Oriental. Sure David. I would also include Lof & Tung on this list its Skoaktiebolagets house brand (though I havent seen any in person), and their customer service is excellent too. My personal experience I can unreservedly recommend Allen Edmonds (the Strand in particular). Hi Peter yes its something weve talked about regularly, and theres a dedicated page on it here. Being cheaper is an objective description of price. I used DT cushioned boot socks at the time. Good engineer last and terrible service boot, there's a reason they never went production on em. Foster & Son get this so much better with their RTW. F. E. F. Extra-wide. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Im trying to decide between the following two options: 1) Myrqvist Molle Loafers @ 151 per pair, 2) Trickers Elton Loafers @ 225 per pair (on sale). Buttero Tanino: UK9, still breaking in but fits well. Back to Morjas specifically. No real complaints, but I haven't tried them in quite a while. Please support us by using them. Here you'll find an extensive sizing chart for Goodyear welted shoes from Skolyx, Yanko and TLB Mallorca. Also I feel the toe space is a bit too narrow. * **Vass P2** EU41.5 comfortable fit but too much toe volume and instep. Also Barkers at the 1880 price point are made in the UK. An apron toe penny loafer from Orbans last summer that were on clearance for 60 euros. One think really dont understand is why GC dilute their brand with the C&J RTW line instead of focusing on the Anthony Cleverley line which I hardly see being sold anywhere. Theres a lot of marketing in this entry-level market: everyone says their shoes are handcrafted, using the best materials.. Definitely wish Viberg made more boots on this last. Allen Edmonds is perhaps most similar to Loake or Barker. After that in the US you get down into much cheaper brands, like John Doe which are made in Mexico. Make a mark at the front of your longest toe. Here's some of my sizing for reference: Meermin RON 11.5 medium Tricker's Bourton 10.5 Tricker's Stow 11 Carmina Xim UNLINED 10.5 Carmina Simpson 11.5 Alden Grant 11.5 Travel Shoes Poll: What shoes do you bring with you on short trips? Interesting. Trickers appears to have a wider breadth to me, especially in country shoes and boots in lots of leathers and colours. Has the quality of Crockett & Jones gone above Carmina lately? Your mentioning Jesper`s financial interests is interesting would more call this commercial however. For the price, Meermins are actually really good shoes.if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[336,280],'footslide_com-leader-2','ezslot_16',118,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-footslide_com-leader-2-0'); In the long run, Carmina shoes are better shoes than Meermins. After trying on shoes in Trading Post, the fit is so much better than any western brands Ive ever tried. Both of my pinky toes stick slightly out, sometimes I say I have splayed toes, but it's really just the pinky toe on each foot likes a bit of room. Interesting that not many people would know that though. I loved the MTO experience there. ), but perhaps that wouldnt be entirely appropriate. It's been a while, but I didn't have any complaints after break in. The 5th toe of my right foot has always been mildly adducted and overlapping the 4th toe. Its a comfortable, yet roomy fit. I think calling things cost-effective when you just mean cheaper would be a needless euphemism. My next purchase would probably be one from G&Gs classic collection, but I can hardly justify buying another shoe when I have 2 brand new pairs (another Meermin and Trickers) which remain unworn due to quarantine. The two lasts I mentioned are super comfortable straight out of the box, and I can wear them all day without the slightest discomfort. Ive tried Lobb, G&G and EG and have notice better uppers but not an increase in comfort compared to C&J handgrade that to me, are the sweet spot of the English shoe made in Northampton at a sensibly lower prices than the top makers. Quality control for us sticklers has been in question dating back to the aughts. I have covered Vass and TLB Artista before. More disclosure is called for before putting a disclaimer on others situation. Any other top level comments will be deleted. Carminas are really chic, classy, and fashionable. That may change in the future though, with the higher-end ones like Miyagi Kogyo trying to make it abroad. You are of course free to think that theres better sources than Shoegazing. I bought a pair of suede oxfords some months ago and I have found them to be fairly good for their cost. You found 1 size in that last worked for you though? Finally, in terms of comfort, the insoles are much thicker and more comfortable in terms of conforming to the shape of my foot than any other shoes on this list (including Weston) other than Andres Sendra. What I had in mind though was a roundup like this one with Jespers input. TLB is from Mallorca, like Carmina, but is only a few years old and is trying to gain a similar reputation. I am just wondering if there is anything else I am missing. Cheers Adam, and very pleased thats the case. To put JC on the same shelf as JL, EG, STC and the like is certainly a stretch. HOK 8.5: Bad fit. very lucky to have bought 8 pairs of EG at a big discount so my shoe cupboard is overflowing and needs to be trimmed now **** Viberg Bobcats and Derby Shoes fit a bit larger in the same last compared to a service boot. I have a pair of 9D shell chukkas that fits well, but after 2 months still has a little heel slip. Wide midfoot, but a touch low instep which translates to average volume, just squashed a bit down. Thursday Vanguard 9.5D: Toe box is a bit tapered for my liking, but overall fit is so-so. Ive never been sure if I am just more accepting of shoe prices or if I am proportional as I bulk at the idea of spending 400 on a jumper but happy to buy C&J main line. To me, the leather feels similar to Carmina, though possibly even stiffer and more inflexible. In my experience, AE is not second to the former neither in leather quality nor make, and features more comfortable footbeds (especially vs Carmina), only it is not as sleek. Trickers 4497s: 8.5 is a little too short, while 9 feels too big in most pairs. Generally, more expensive suedes are the softer stuff, so it seems to me that theyd actually wear faster. Did not break in enough to be able to wear even thin socks. If you don't have a lot of volume I would be pretty cautious with their loafers. Last month, Swedish shoe brand Myrqvist (above) sent me a pair of their loafers to try. Of course choice is more limited, and its more pot luck, but who doesnt love a bargain? Permanent Style is the UK authority on classic and luxury menswear. Do you know what thats down to? Nike Memeshots: 11D, narrow in the forefoot but fine after a week or two. Snug in the forefoot and toebox but not tight. Carmina shoes are more comfortable, flexible, and relaxing than the Meermins. I wear a US10/UK9 and opted for a UK9, on Pepe's recommendation, and the fit is spot on. Berwick uses corrected grain for some of its models (this is what stopped me from buying a pair). Do you like the mor traditional English or contemporary French style more? Alden Van (unlined shell): 10D, ended up selling before fully breaking in. A nice watch is also showing something. Overall, Meermin shoes are great shoes, but they appear to be poorly finished when compared to Carminas. Ive never understood why they tried to branch out so much. He was told they had changed, as you see seem to have observed as well. Extraordinary. Maybe something in the weight of the shoes or its balance, but nothing apparent in construction. These classy are built for the ultimate style, comfort, functionality, and elegance of the elite. I still recall trying them for the first time after having worn Carmina for some years and noticed the difference instantly. Allen Edmonds 511 9.5D: Seemed like a bad fit or just poorly lasted. Check Availability Meermin Wingtips Review A lot of influencers will also swear that it is box calf, which goes a long way to show either their incompetence or lack of integrity. They are extremely comfortable and very good value in my opinion. I guess you get what you pay for but this level of quality for the leather should be mentioned. NF Bootmaker 43.5: Had these modified for a wider waist as the 44 was a bit long. TLB also has a new line called Artista*, which is a higher level of quality than any in this article. Indeed, stylistically they are even quite close. And in pictures I can see a difference in appearance, at least in terms of shape and design, but I am not sure if there is much of a difference elsewhere (I get that bespoke and such will fit nicer). I think I could tell the difference between a standard C&J and EG from a distance, though I wouldnt like to put that to the test! Just make sure Trickers does not end up too chunky for you. Im not sure who and why the person you talked with from Barker said anything else, but a quick visit to their website or just a Google will you show you that he or her were wrong. Carmina Rain: UK 11 (best fitting Carmina last for me) Carmina Inca: UK 11 (too tight across instep) Carmina Forest: UK 11.5 (snug instep) Carmina Simpson: my feet are too wide for this last. C&J do not run their own shops. Throughout this commentary from Jesper, its worth keeping in mind that some of the points are objective, some more subjective. Viberg 2030: 10 - Good fit. I have had a painted patina on several shoes see Berluti here, Dandy here, Carreducker here and G&G here. Japan is the biggest market in Asia for dress shoe brands, but a lot of the cheaper shoes (below 200) are made elsewhere in Asia and just finished at home (similar to Italy). Steve. Comfy fit. Even for me and I have narrower feet than the average man. It may not display this or other websites correctly. In the end I find it would be the most comfortable of all three lasts. Sizing as 10D often feels the most natural for overall volume but is usually tight in the mid-foot (not always noticeable until I've walked in the shoes for a while), sometimes toes/ball, and occasionally a bit short in the arch/flex point. I also had disappointing experiences with Myrqvists quality. Barrie: 10D (I might be able to pull 9.5 with thin socks), 9.5 E, Tuesday split toe boots (no last name): 9.5, Borneo: 42 EU (snug fit with plenty room for toe to wiggle with medium socks), Kujang: 42.5 EU (snug fit with medium socks), 325: 9.5 UK (had to re-purchase just to recall my size), 365: 9 UK (snug with medium socks, would probably be clown looking if I went 9.5, but who knows), Military: 44 EU (had to throw thick socks for this, but no way I could pull 43, the weirdest fitting last Ive ever had), 4497: 9.5 UK fitting 6 (could probably pull 9 UK or same size but 5 fitting instead), 2020: 9.5 (with medium socks it fit snug). Most brands in that price segment have fewer offers for you in terms of lasts. The US has several brands that fit into this discussion - some old, some new. I would instead recommend taking this last TTS and just wearing thick socks as sometimes it can run small. I havent covered Allen Edmonds in the past both because I havent had much experience of them, and because they were below the quality level we normally cover on PS hence their inclusion in this article, which was intended to round-up lots of cheaper makers. Fully bespoke shoes including trial pair start from about 550 depending on the exchange rate, and they offer ready to wear / MTO lines of various grades between 65 and 450. Having a shorter HTT than HTB allows me to wear it 1 down from by brannock. Red Wing 8 last 9D: Decent fit at first, fairly comfortable once broken in. The former you appreciate in the shoes over time. Alden Aberdeen: 9.5E fits me really well with medium socks. Great stitch density and overall construction for a GYW loafer that normally runs 160 euros. Alden Van: 10D - Good fit. Thats interesting. I suspect 8UK would have been better, * **Enzo Bonafe 74945** 8UK perfect fit, snug around the heel and ball with a comfortable instep but still toe room, * **Enzo Bonafe 804** 7.5UK fits a bit better than 8UK, 8UK has a lot of heel slip in shell boots, * **Enzo Bonafe 062** 8UK fits similarly to 804 7.5UK. You have to excuse Carminas for being more expensive than Meermins; but when you look at it critically, the difference in cost price is justifiable when you see that Carmina shoes offer more value than the Meermins. It's a reasonably generous last. Although the quality is nothing to write home about, they are incredibly comfortable. I acknowledge I am emotionally attached to AE, it was the first quality brand I could access. s. It is my impression that, notwithstanding Cleverleys arm-waving and misdirection regarding their provenance, the Cleverely RTW are made by C&J. Low arches but not flat. HOK 9: Acceptable fit. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. REGULATION AND US. But there is also some variation in what you get. Nice article , but why the article call these cheap shoes? Same thing is true at a luxury level. Job done. Pretty good fit, but I need a kilty for some of the volume while new, will probably break in more and be able to be cinched down better over time. There are some great savings on offer and often the defects are either unnoticeable or very minor. One brand not mentioned were the French company Bexley. Myrqvist, which we mentioned at the start, is one of these and uses fairly good raw materials - sourced from well-known tanneries like Du Puy in France. Bought before I understood my size. We also get your email address to automatically create an account for you in our website. Well Id imagine the aim is to make more money, given that some will know the Cleverley name and want to buy into it. Fit seemed good at first but toe box is just too narrow for extended wear. They didn't gave Detroit EEE in stock so I couldn't try it. Meermins have also been fine, especially for suede loafers. My issue with C&J is that the range of G fits has been reduced significantly. The soles have also had some quality issues my shoes have channeled soles, and the top layer has peeled off repeatedly at the edges. Because of the great leather material of the Carminas, youll get yourself a pair of shoes that are bound to stand you out in the positive way.CARMINA LEATHER, Meermins, on the other hand, are made with premium leather materials ranging from hybrid calfskin leather materials to even Shell Cordovan leather.MEERMIN LEATHER. 1. Morjas uses corrected-grain leather, despite their claims to the contrary. Never felt loose. and maybe as far as a 37 in the Tanino, though that is a very rare size. It requires more knowledge to be able to see the difference between welted shoes at different stages of the quality segment, in general. Ive mostly moved to bespoke now due to my weird feet, but I do own a pair of Morjas suede chukkas that I use in bad weather. Meermin Burgundy Oxford Shoe || Men's US 8 UK 7 E. $50.00 + $32.48 shipping. Very nice article. I bought AS through him when they were the best value for money in higher end shoes then moved to C&J on his advice. I would caution anyone against reading the shoegazing blog. I suppose they get away with it because the overwhelming majority of their customers arent that knowledgeable about shoes or leather quality. I find that you almost always get what you pay for when it comes to goodyear welted shoes and both of these shoemakers are a big step up from all the budget tier brands I have tried in terms of materials, fit, craftmanship and durability. 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